Published Oct 24, 2003
Well, Dr. Jerry Vines sure stirred up a hornet’s nest when he made a statement at the Southern Baptist Convention concerning Islam and Mohammed. It must be observed that he had every right to make the statement, and I ask his critics if they would disallow such statements. Can’t there be any criticism of Islam without those who worship at the altar of multiculturalism going after the critic’s scalp with a sharp hatchet?
Vines said, “Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who had 12 wives –and his last one was a 9-year-old girl. And I will tell you Allah is not Jehovah either. Jehovah’s not going to turn you into a terrorist that’ll try to bomb people and take the lives of thousands and thousands of people.” His statement has one error: Mohammed had more than 12 wives! Gibbon says he had 15 to 17 wives. Of course, one must also add his concubines and Mary his Coptic slave plus the wives of the military commanders he killed or captured in battle. Mohammed not only took 20% of the loot, he also had his choice of the ladies. His Muslim marauders got the leftovers.
The anger against Dr. Vines is mainly focused on the allegation that Mohammed took a six-year-old bride.
The anger against Dr. Vines is mainly focused on the allegation that Mohammed took a six-year-old bride. Of course he did, as all informed people know. Durant says she was seven while most historians say she was six. Mohammed was betrothed to Aisha, still playing with dolls, but he managed to constrain his ardor (we are told) until she was nine! One politically correct historian was disingenuous when he mentioned the marriage but added that she “… lived with her parents until she came of age.” Has a nine-year-old come of age, even on the Arabian Desert? Even the liberal Encyclopedia Britannica reports that she “had scarcely passed the period of infancy.”
I believe all civilized people would consider that child molestation, right? I was told by a Muslim cleric whom I interviewed for my book, Islam: America’s Trojan Horse! that on the Arabian Desert it was not uncommon to take a child bride. It was common. Oh, all right. That means that child molestation was common in Arabia, doesn’t it? Can any sane, sensitive, person believe otherwise, whatever his religious belief? The above Muslim leader told me that Mohammed did not “take her as his wife” until she was 11 years old; however, no other source reports that to my knowledge. Besides, does that make a difference?
What it means is that in Arabia during that time (and as today) the male sexual appetite was to be satisfied without confining notions of morality. The rights of women and children were not considered. Even in that desert “culture,” Mohammed got flack for his marriage to Aisha. However, surprise, surprise, surprise, he had one of his visions from the angel Gabriel who said that his pedophilia was all right with Allah! Allah endorsed sexual perversion, but Christ said that if we even thought about unlawful sexual activity it was adultery! Yet most Muslims tell us that Islam is superior to Christianity!
Gibbon was right when he said that Mohammed “…indulged the appetites of a man, and abused the claims of a prophet.” He was an unprincipled opportunist.
Dr. David Currie, a Southern Baptist, said, “As a Southern Baptist, I find Rev. Vines’ words to be grossly inappropriate.” Hey, David, that is your opinion, but was his statement accurate? As if you care more about accuracy than you do about being politically correct.
Dr. C. Welton Gaddy split his pants over Vines’ comment, and he was almost irrational. He said, “Historically, Baptists have been passionate supporters of religious liberty and its corollaries of church/state separation and have had an appreciation of pluralism.” Hey, C. W., Vines was not attacking religious liberty. He did not say that Muslims could not believe and practice their seventh century religion of the moon cult. They have every right to do so, but do not try to tell us that we cannot point out their numerous errors and their founder’s wicked lifestyle.
Hodan Hassan, a spokeswoman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said Vines’ comments were divisive and inaccurate. “This kind of hate-filled rhetoric is very shocking,” She added, “It is especially surprising to see it coming from someone of that stature making such a statement concerning a religion that is practiced by one-fifth of the world’s population.” The CAIR is a radical public relations group that is quick to respond to any criticism of Islam, which is their right. However, people should always be suspicious of CAIR’s defense as when Bill Clinton might speak on virtue, honesty, and character. In both cases, the big surprise is that people don’t fall to the floor holding their sides in laughter.
Case in point is the CAIR’s protesting the Los Angeles billboards following the September 11 attack on America. The billboards had a likeness of bin Laden with “Enemy No. 1,” and the CAIR objected! It is not only a public relations outfit; it is a wild-eyed damage control group for Islam.
Another example is their defense of cop-killer H. Rap Brown who is serving a life sentence in a Georgia prison for killing a black police officer and wounding another one. He should have been strapped down in “old sparky.” The CAIR said of Brown: “The charges against Imam Jamil [Brown] are especially troubling because they are inconsistent with what is known of his moral character and past behavior as a Muslim.” Such a statement would gag a buzzard if the buzzard knew of Brown’s lifetime of violence.
Hodan also makes a mistake when she characterizes Dr. Vines’ statement as being “hate-filled rhetoric” but then that is a ploy of the left when they cannot find any legitimate answers. It is the only arrow in their quiver that they can shoot; therefore, they always shoot it. Informed people know that their arrow has no point so we brush it aside.
She then tries to impress non-thinkers by informing us that Muslims constitute one-fifth of the world! What she does not understand is that if one-fifth of the world said that red is green that would only mean that one-fifth of the world is color-blind. Such an issue cannot be voted on. Moreover, if everyone in the world agreed with it, it would still be untrue. Same with Muslims. They have every right to believe what a pedophiliac, demon-possessed (as some historians say), slaveholding killer off the desert heard during one of his swoons, dreams, fits, seizures, possessions, etc., but don’t tell me it even comes close to Christianity. Moreover, do not suggest that it is evil and hateful to tell the truth about it.
Born Again Baptists are not flying planes into buildings and wearing body bombs into pizza parlors. Muslims are.
Born Again Baptists are not flying planes into buildings and wearing body bombs into pizza parlors. Muslims are. No, all Muslims are not terrorists, but thus far, all terrorists against America have been Muslims! Alas, I suppose that truth also makes me a hater, but then I am in good company with people such as Jerry Vines, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Daniel Pipes, Steven Emerson and D. James Kennedy.
Copyright © 2005 Don Boys, Ph.D.
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Dr. Jerry Vines has a right to speak his mind on Islam and any other topic. It seems to me that a lot of people don’t completely read what Thomas Jefferson actually said and meant on the subject of the Separation of Church and State. It was so that the Gov’t cannot create one form of religion like Islam, and also to keep the Gov’t from interfering in a persons right to their religious views and beliefs. Jefferson (although he was not a Christian ) believed that Christians should run for political offices and keep America a Christian based nation.
Dr. Vines told the truth, we learn things this way. History is history, we thank him for being honest.
I feel like a rushing wind has gone thru my hair! How refreshing to read what Dr. Vines said and the author of this article. Keep telling the truth. I was in Dr. Vines’ West Rome Baptist Church in the early ’70s. He told the truth then and I would not have expected anything less from him now. God Bless you both.
The simple answer is YES, Muhammad was a pedophile. As Khomeini states in his book, “Tahrirolvasyleh”, fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990: “A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby.” The Muslims can live a lie if they so choose, but the facts are the facts.
sadly for a lot of people, the scriptures indicate that even those who love to make lies will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven, therefore, there is only sin, disobedience to God’s word. We may have names for crimes and rank them from least to worse, however, when God judges us, it will only matter whether or not we obeyed His word. I truly feel for those who are so deceived they cannot see the truth, yet there are many reports Jesus is revealing Himself to people today, praise God for His mercy and grace and the hope He has promised for those who will keep and do His word.
[024:059] But when the children among you come of age, let them (also) ask for permission, as do those senior to them (in age): Thus does God make clear His Signs to you: for God is full of knowledge and wisdom.
[017:034] Come not nigh to the orphan’s property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength; and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
marriege with girl permission
Dawud :: Book 11 : Hadith 2076,77,88,91,95
mother permission required for marry their daughter
Dawud :: Book 11 : Hadith 2090
Women permission required for marriage
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 86 :: Hadith 98 ,100,101
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 85 :: Hadith 79
Women permission required for marriage: parents forced to do it prohibited:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 86 :: Hadith 99
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 85 :: Hadith 78
for marriege girl must reach her puberty level.
Dawud :: Book 11 : Hadith 2098
Dawud :: Book 19 : Hadith 2979
Dawud :: Book 29 : Hadith 3952 Narrated AbuHurayrah: The Prophet (peacebeupon_him) said: The child of adultery is worst of the three.